Education and the Great Debate

Discussion in 'The Loafing Shed' started by JenR, Oct 22, 2008.

  1. JenR

    JenR Formerly Underworld Queen

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    Interesting stuff, this:

    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5701

    We've already got a "Character Council" in Nick's school -- some of the kids are starting to sound like That Ones[sup]TM[/sup] talking points.

    Why not just call it "The Young Octoberists" and be done with it?
     
  2. lori

    lori New Member

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    Character education programs, the federal grant, character counts week, have all been around for a long time, some in excess of 10-15 years. Nothing new about that, did not originate with Obama. What's the deal?
     

  3. JenR

    JenR Formerly Underworld Queen

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    Oh Lori, did you read the article closely and critically, or just skim it?

    This is new territory, taking old ideas into new realms -- that's the big deal.
     
  4. lori

    lori New Member

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    Well, the character education/positive behavior for effective schools portion seemed the part of the article you were concerned about - I can speak to some of the other issues mentioned in the article if you would like.

    Show me what's new there... or at least what is not old behind new rhetoric... Character education programs in schools, including federal funding for such, is not new.
     
  5. JenR

    JenR Formerly Underworld Queen

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    The ominous thing about it Lori is the amendment to include a federal impetus to create an actual program within schools to implement "positive behavior" outcomes and coupled with a way to "track" students and "track" students-to-teachers. Sounds all well and good on the surface -- but look really closely at it and bear in mind that this would mean there would be a government mandated set of "positive behaviors" that schools would have to enforce.

    Again, sounds pretty innocent on the surface -- but when the government can essentially dictate what is "positive" behavior what can that lead to?

    And couple that with a way to track students and track teachers as well vis a vis not only academic achievement, but also "positive behavior" history.

    And then a little addition of -- and further be able to recognize those who might need special education (again, sounds like a great thing, an innocent thing), but think really had on what the implications of needing special education (and possible implementation of "appropriate" medications) vis a vis that governmentally sanctioned "positive behavior" is.

    Let's use the idea of a child that "questions authority" as an example -- is questioning authority a positive behavior, or is it a negative behavior? Conversely, is questioning authority a positive behavior for a citizen of a democratic state, or a negative one? Would a government see questioning authority as a positive behavior or a negative one?

    Slippery slope made much more slippery.
     
  6. lori

    lori New Member

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    You really think that's going to come to pass when you can't even get people to agree to tracking livestock? Do you think when we're losing kids in fostercare they can keep track of every school child?
     
  7. JenR

    JenR Formerly Underworld Queen

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    It isn't about "can they now" Lori; it's about "would they be able in the future". And maybe tracking kids is something more pertinent than tracking livestock perhaps? Or could become so?