Milking the Cash Cow - Storm Cat to stand to AQHA mares in 2009

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  1. MidnightHill

    MidnightHill New Member

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    An interesting article that came out on Thoroughbred leading sire Storm Cat who was pensioned late last year due to declining fertility. At his peak Storm Cat stood for $500,000. Apparently they don't want the cash cow to sit in the pasture.... I am curious what they are going to charge Quarter Horse breeders

    http://www.stallionesearch.com/default.asp?section=6&story=5159
     
  2. PT

    PT New Member

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    :th_hititbanana:
     

  3. lori

    lori New Member

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    If Vessels hits it, I'd probably hit it too. LOL. Storm Cat's leg proportions don't look so hot in that pic--he's better in his allbreedpedigree photo. What the heck?

    OK, maybe I'd hit it, realistically for $ purposes, I'm sure not. And if he wasn't high priced, I dunno. He's to... what's the word... throughbredy?

    Look at a pic of that mare though, talk about unflattering! http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/your+first+moon Sure makes me feel better about how my little 1987 black mare looks across her topline and baby belly (even when she's not pregnant).
     
  4. MidnightHill

    MidnightHill New Member

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    Totally agree. I have a funny feeling it will be a pretty penny though 8)
     
  5. JenR

    JenR Formerly Underworld Queen

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    I'm not a Storm Cat afficiando (because he really isn't the prime pick for the type of stuff I like to do), but I can see where he would work for some of the AQ disciplines. So if his people want to do that, then hey, go for it. Just wish some of the TB studs that would be good for the type of stuff I'm interested in were available to the sporthorse market. America has some really choice TB lines that would do great in the riding horse industry, but they're tied up in the racing.
     
  6. photofinish

    photofinish Senior Member

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    Jen, the way the stalion market is this year, if you are willing to live cover, I'd not be shy about inquiring. You may get to breed to 'em for a sporthorse!
     
  7. desederada

    desederada New Member

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    They don't show the 2009 fee for Storm Cat yet it was 300,000 for 2008.
     
  8. PT

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    You ever see how awful Treasured Too looks, and how funky Easy Jet Too and Dash For Cash looks, lol. :D

    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/treasured+too
    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dash+for+cash
     
  9. lori

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    Well, of course Treasured Too looks funky, he is half white! WTF is up with that! >:D

    See, I don't think Dash for Cash looks funky, I like him better than First Down Dash, but I like the conformation photo I've seen of First Prize Rose... so I'm going to go out on a limb and say I would kick FDD out of my mare's bed... what I was knocking on Storm Cat was how long his canon bones and pasterns look in the pic with the article... he doesn't look like he'd be a good QH type sprinter in that photo, but in his allbreedpedigree photo, his pasterns and canons look shorter and it's a better setup for the kind of TB you would breed a QH to for speed, *IMO*. [tt][/tt]
     
  10. PT

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    I totally agree with ya, it just cracks me up sometimes how some of these horses wouldn't go for more than $200 in an auction pen on just looks alone, and they're multi champion sires! :D
     
  11. Mass

    Mass Senior Member and Masscaster

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    I thought someone actually found the elusive "cash cow". Was going to have you send it my way. Damn. :D ;)
     
  12. photofinish

    photofinish Senior Member

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    Funny thing about the Storm Cats - they are either real QHy and quick, OR they need 1 1/2 miles on the grass. Giant's Causeway and the Tabasco Cats and Cat Thief come to mind quick on the stretchy ones.... Wouldn't it suck to spend all the $ (fee plus I shudder to think what the technology to get the live swimmers costs!) to breed your QH mare to him and get a grass horse? :nana:
     
  13. JenR

    JenR Formerly Underworld Queen

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    That would be the suck.

    Photo -- like I've got anything to breed a stallion with right now. BGA? Nah, I don't think so. He merely poses as such.
     
  14. PT

    PT New Member

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    I think Big Gay Al might beg to differ...
     
  15. JenR

    JenR Formerly Underworld Queen

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    He's actually a big time ladies man ;D
    We have to keep him away from any recently bred mares because the schiesse will tease them and harass them constantly.

    wonder if we could talk Jessica into breeding her mare Zippy to a TB, a little on the short side but jumps well...nah, probably not!
     
  16. desederada

    desederada New Member

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    He's standing to QH mares for 20,000

    Storm Cat not finished as sire
    By Glenye Cain Oakford
    LEXINGTON, Ky. - Overbrook Farm pensioned its great sire Storm Cat earlier this year due to declining fertility, but the 26-year-old horse's breeding career apparently isn't entirely over.

    Quarter Horse breeders have the opportunity to breed to Storm Cat through artificial insemination, which is allowed under Quarter Horse registry rules but not for Thoroughbreds. Storm Cat, whose stud fee peaked at $500,000 during his highly successful breeding career, will have a $20,000 live-foal stud fee for Quarter Horses and will probably cover between 10 and 20 mares.

    Overbrook adviser Ric Waldman said it's not about the money anyway.

    "It's interesting to see what Storm Cat's legacy might be in the Quarter Horse breed," he said. "They have a need for outcrosses; their inbreeding is perhaps worse than ours. And he can sire precocious, speedy horses. That fits into their ballgame.

    "But the amount of revenue we're going to make isn't significant."

    Chances are his crops will be somewhat limited. In 2008, Storm Cat impregnated just three of 32 mares. Technology at Texas A&M will allow veterinarians there to extract the highest-quality semen available from Storm Cat, but, even so, the $20,000 fee is considered a high one in the Quarter Horse world.

    Overbrook teamed up with Dr. Dickson Varner, a stallion reproductive specialist at Texas A&M, to offer Storm Cat's semen to Quarter Horse breeders. Semen collected from Storm Cat last spring is stored at the university, which handles bookings and breeds the mares, Waldman said. The stallion's first Quarter Horse mare under this system is Your First Moon, and, if she produces a foal, its owners will be country music singer Lyle Lovett and Frank "Scoop" Vessels III of Vessels Stallion Farm in California.

    Your First Moon is a Grade 1 winner and 2-year-old filly champion of 2001 in Quarter Horse racing.

    "We asked Dr. Varner to help us with Storm Cat's fertility problems last year, and he suggested that we collect and store his semen for whatever future use there might be," Waldman said.

    When Varner later suggested Quarter Horse breeding, Overbrook gave the nod earlier this month.

    Storm Cat is not the first well-known Thoroughbred to cover Quarter Horses. Alydar did it, and so did Hennessy.

    Under the procedure Texas A&M uses, sperm from a single ejaculate can be used to impregnate hundreds of mares, which could make it possible for Storm Cat to enjoy a long Quarter Horse breeding career off the semen collection from 2008.

    Waldman said Overbrook hasn't yet made plans to collect any more of Storm Cat's semen but is looking forward to seeing the results of this experiment.

    "We'd like to see what he can do in the Quarter Horse world," he said. "That's the interest and the intrigue to us."
     
  17. desederada

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    How do they figure the inbreeding in the QHs is worse than the TBs when most of the racing QHs are mostly TB anyways ???
     
  18. glf01

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    Well Storm Cat won't have to cover any mares everything will be done by AI and I have a feeling that they have been collecting on him for a while now. But because he is only used to being bred to a real mare I'm sure he won't be jumping on any dummies any time soon. This will only start a new trend with so called pensioned TB's
    But when I think of QH's I don't see Storm Cat in that vision. His foals weren't that speedy and the only thing that he has in common with QH is that his foals can be a hand full. I think it's a ok idea but I don't think would be the sire of choice. Now you want fast then look at Richter Scale, Five Star Day those horses produce so fast babies.
     
  19. photofinish

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    Have you seen many QH catalogs? It's an experience. Tbs have a lot of 4x4, or 3x4x4, 4x5, etc...QHs have alot of 2x3, 3x2, 2x4, 2x3x3... "Linebreeding", doncha know?
     
  20. paige

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    I bet they will not get many QH players actually paying that stud fee. There is no evidence he can produce in this field, and that is pretty spendy for a new man in town--and tranferring from breeding other TBs to breeding QHs is just that.
    Now if he gets himself proven--may be a different story

    I have no idea what running QHs give for stud fees, but 20K is high for any other discipline. Not many studs can command that fee regularly in the QH world