Talk about corruption in Associations!

Discussion in 'The Winners Circle' started by photofinish, Feb 10, 2009.

  1. photofinish

    photofinish Senior Member

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    Well, AQHA finally came out with their year-end racing awards. Oh my, my, my... I had better never ever, ever hear a QH person tell me about TB racing being "corrupt"!

    The owner/breeder of the bad-test winner of the All American Futurity, Jerry Windham (past AQHA president, by the way ::))won: Breeder of The Year
    Owner of the Year
    His bad-test haorse, Stoli's Winner, won :

    Champion 2 yr old Gelding
    Champion 2 yr old Racing Horse

    Now, they are appealing the caffeine positive ruling because they don't want to give the $1million back. BUT, they sent the sample to 3 different labs and all 3 came back with the same results, so...

    Looks like, even in racing, AQHA is still all about politics and stroke. Jerry Windham has much power. The sire of caffeine-boy is syndicated, with some owners being Windham, Helzer (?) (JEH Stallion Station), and RD Hubbard himself. That who's-who doesn't want Stoli (sire) to lose his value increase.....ick, ick, ick......shame, shame, shame

    Only sign that the AQHA is at least a little ashamed of itself is that they are quietly announcing these championships on a Tuesday afternoon... :th_blue_wtf:
     
  2. hobblehanger

    hobblehanger New Member

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    I feel your pain. I get the feeling that people that have the money, don't have to have any punishment when they do a crime.

    We go through the same thing in harness racing.

    A couple of years ago, trainer Tom Harmer and horse Jeremys Jet won the Windy City Pace. Post racing testing found him positive for Pyrilamine, an antihistamine. Any horse testing positive for a banned, performance enhancing drug is subject to the trainer being suspended, fined and redistribution of purse money. In this instance his share of purse money was $125,000.
    Mr Harmer and the owners of the horse, appealed.

    They had enough influence, power and MONEY to have the rule CHANGED retro to BEFORE his horse tested positive. That's right, he got the rule changed to read that pyrilamine would be allowed in a lower amount than originally had been allowed. This change, allowed him to keep his purse money and no fines or suspensions were issued.

    How nice huh?! If that were happen to one of us little guys....we would have no shot of fighting it at all, let alone get the whole damn rule changed.
     

  3. photofinish

    photofinish Senior Member

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    WOW!!!!!! I am impressed with that story, HH!! Sounds like something that could happen in NM, but I am shocked in IL. In TBs, at least, IL is one of the strictest states out there. Here in NM there is ALOT of good-ol'-boy shit. The trainer of Stoli's Winner tried using the " but he cleared in Louisiana" whiney arguement. Then the stewards pointed out that caffeine IS legal in La at 25 ppm. And, while this is NOt La and this a No Tolerance state on caffeine, Stoli's Winner's sample was 45 ppm, so he would still be over limit, even should the boundaries between states suddenly evaporate..
     
  4. desederada

    desederada New Member

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    No matter what the game is is matters who you are. You ever notice how 2 trainers get the same positve test but Trainer A has a big stable and lots of pull so he gets 30 days and Trainer B who is just small time gets 6 months.

    BTW has anyone heard what's going on with the QH trainer(Wells) and that abuse claim?
     
  5. hobblehanger

    hobblehanger New Member

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    Photo-

    Illinois, as far as harness racing, in my opinion, has got to be one of the most ass backwards.

    Let me start with the owner of Balmoral being one of Blagos pay to play people. That's right, Johnny Johnston was to give Blago a "campaign contribution" so that Blago would sign the bill giving us the casino money we have been waiting years for. I do not know when the conversation was taped, but I do know that the bill was signed after Blago was arrested, before the end of 2008. Just as he wanted....because new campaign financial laws went into effect. See, that bill benefits the owners of the tracks more than it does the horsemen.

    Ok, NEXT! LOL

    Last year, the Illinois Racing Board started a new rule. Per stewards orders they can and will be drawing pre-race blood for the purpose of high levels of TCO2, better known as baking soda to us track people. They set the level as >35mml. Any horse testing higher than 35 would be subject to 30 days of noon detention when entered to race. Here is the problem.
    They send the blood samples out, to a lab. Testing should be done on track. I know, some people are going to ask why does it matter.
    Sending the sample out, delays the process. The IRB does not get results back for about 3 days. So, lets say I have a horse that won it's race, and after I have gone through post race testing, I am told that my horse tested high pre-race. Ok, I race out of noon detention now. What has the IRB done? They have defrauded the public!
    What most tracks do for pre-race blood gas testing is, they do it on track! You get the results back before the race. And if your horse tests high, the horse is SCRATCHED! The public has not been defrauded. Now, the punishment is more sever if it happens again, and so forth and so on. I think most states if it happens again within so many days, you receive suspension.
    Now, one more problem with this. When they first started testing, there were a whole lot of high blood gas tests. I guess the state vet did not take LASIX horses into consideration when thinking up this wonderful new rule. Lasix causing a horse to dehydrate, raising levels of blood gas in the blood. So, once again they changed the rule, letting people off of their 30 day race out of detention. They changed it to >35 for non lasix horses and >37 for Lasix horses.
    Now, after sometime, and people receiving high blood gas pre-race positives, instead of racing out of detention, they just did not enter their horse for 30 days. I guess they figured, I ain't gonna get no money racing out of detention, might as well make no money sittin in the stall.
    The Illinois Harness Horsemans Association, in the negations for the 2009 contract wanted Balmoral and Maywood to purchase two TCO2 machines, one for each track. The IHHA did not win. Testing will still be conducted at an outside lab, and the IRB continues to defraud the public.
    Oh, one more thing.....when a horse does race out of noon detention, they do NOT print it in the program. Another way to defraud the public.
     
  6. OCF

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    I believe that Cleve Wells got off, the charges dropped or something, another big name beating the system.
     
  7. desederada

    desederada New Member

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    Hadn't heard anything so I was figuring that was the case.
     
  8. JenR

    JenR Formerly Underworld Queen

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    He's probably up for an award.

    I can't think of one horse association that isn't crooked to some degree or another.

    People, by and large, are nasty, corrupt, little monkeys. Some just have more bananas, so they can get away with more.